Sunday, February 28, 2010

Egg or Hen?

I was watching F.R.I.E.N.D.S; and this conversation struck to me, which is from “The One Where Heckles Dies (203)”:

PHOEBE: That's fine. Go ahead and scoff. You know, there're a lot of things that I don't believe in, but that doesn't mean they're not true.
JOEY: Such as?

PHOEBE: Like crop circles, or the Bermuda triangle, or evolution?

ROSS: Whoa, whoa, whoa. What, you don't, uh, you don't believe in evolution?

PHOEBE: Nah. Not really.

ROSS: You don't believe in evolution?

PHOEBE: I don't know, it's just, you know...monkeys, Darwin, you know, it's a, it's a nice story, I just think it's a little too easy.

ROSS: Too easy? Too...The process of every living thing on this planet evolving over millions of years from single-celled organisms, too easy?

PHOEBE: Yeah, I just don't buy it.

ROSS: Uh, excuse me. Evolution is not for you to buy, Phoebe. Evolution is scientific fact, like, like, like the air we breathe, like gravity.

PHOEBE: Ok, don't get me started on gravity.

ROSS: You uh, you don't believe in gravity?

PHOEBE: Well, it's not so much that you know, like I don't believe in it, you know, it's just...I don't know, lately I get the feeling that I'm not so much being pulled down as I am being pushed.




As far as I know there is “Theorem” and there is “Theory”, there is Math and there is Science.

Theory is what happens repeatedly in the same fashion over and over again, like apple falling on Newton’s head (theory of Gravitation), then Theory of Relativity, Theory of Constraints.

Def: A theory, in the scientific sense of the word, is an analytic structure designed to explain a set of empirical observations. A scientific theory does two things:
1. it identifies this set of distinct observations as a class of phenomena, and
2. makes assertions about the underlying reality that brings about or affects this class.



My point is, theories aren’t mathematically proved, but Theorems are, to name Pythagoras theorem, Binomial theorem or so.

Just thinking about what Phoebe said, I was wondering is there a slight “possibility” that the “theory” of evolution is not true and why we are in this world is justified by some other reason or logic.

There are so many questions bubbling up like:
• Did Adam and Eve really exist? And so do we? Now where did they come from? Someone dropped them from up above?
• If I think that God has created us, then how was God created?
• Worms and insects take birth in the environment adaptable to them, some in puddle and some in deserts, when the climatic conditions are sustainable. So was it the same for us?

Now this is not just applicable to human-beings but to other animals as well.
If we turned from an Ape to a human, why was it just Ape and not a Tiger?

As this question always remains unanswered: Eggs came first or the hen?

I feel everyone (who can imagine a little) will have at least one theory of his own, on how we evolved..Do you? :)

8 comments:

Vishy said...

Among ur choices.
First: Irreverent! Short stories for amateur (pupil)
Second: Atheist would give you the right proportion of Air, Water, Earth, Fire and Space.
Thirds: I agree with this choice. Sounds more like a theorem. But about Humans, I am a bit sure as per biological studies they were the evolution from Ape’s ancestors. But now U may ask “From where have these Apes come from”; coming back from where we stared “Suitable environment and sustainable climatic conditions favors the growth of a new creature”.

Leo Princess said...

Thanks for your opinion :)

for 1st: do u have anything to prove?
2nd : so acc. to u this now depends whoz an Atheist and whoz not.
3rd: It still is a theory,if it wud have been a Theorem, it wud have become Theorem of Evolution :)

Keshri Nandan Nayak said...

"Theory of Evolution"
A pretty hot debate where you can pull in an atheist, agnostic, believer, scientist or any x person on one platform, where they will come up with their own belief.

As far as me, I think any of these views can't be cent percent true. We can only maximize our rationality while defining / proposing anything new on basis of something which is established, which in itself is not complete. As there is always a possibility of finding something more which can disapprove or modify any established norms or thoughts.

Thus by itself not even science is complete, so anything said under these condition is just a stream of thoughts, not anything which can be said as an ACTUAL FACT. I feel like writing something more but turning my thoughts towards questions which have been bubbling out of your post :)

Any thing said or told, which can not be proved by an evidence, is nothing more than a STORY. Also it doesn't mean if something can't be disapproved is a fact. (similar to NP Hard problem of Comp Sci.)

Which God you are referring, GOD of Hindus, Islam, Christian or any other religion they all were created by humans. Regarding GOD who might have created this universe is a state of having infinite wisdom / rationality, by which any question can be answered with a proper logical reasoning.

In scientific theory there is always a possibility that particular finding can be wrong, but that doesn't means they are useless they are either modified or replaced thus becoming more and more mature. Since "Theory of evolution" is not a mathematical fact or statement rather a model of physical events, it is referred as Theory not as Theorem. They both are different, not interconvertible.

Nihit Gupta said...

Some theories:

Non Sense logic:
(1) Durga chalisa: We came from shati--she was floating in water. she required some1 to produce...so she created a man fusing her power...we call it shakti swaroopa..she did it..but man denied...thn she created another man 3 times...finally got succeed...this story i watched on TV. (shakti ka ardh swaroopa karke kuch to bakar bakar hai..chamki nahi mujhe)


Scientific logic:
(2) The most believable: accidentally simple living cell - amoeba created from non living atoms (proteins formed from amino acids) due to lightening and many geological changes on earth.

Undisputed and observable logic
Simple life turned into complex and sustainable by a process of natural selection and adaption.

(3) But then how earth created..actually every thing heavenly, came from a big bang explosion

(4) Big bang se pahle kya tha..nobody knows....mera khayal hume bhi sochna nahi chaye....coz nobody found the answer

(5)I believe there is somthing non singularity--where there is no particle, wave blah, u jus cross the space as it bends and you enter in different time dimension :)..ye sub kuch relativity mein hai..and latest string theory ese explain karti hai..aam admi cant imagine this...Einstein, hawking they know all this.

(6) Bechare Scientist
Zeneva mein geek loog particle accelerator mein aisa kuch exp try kar rahe the. to knw wht will happen just b4big bang and creation of black holes.
(lekin i guess media ne waat laga dee)
(7) Last not the list- pahle murgi ho ya anda, kya farak penda hai..keshri to dono ko hi khata hai :)

My Theory:
We are certainly came from accidental combination of atoms.
But dont ask me...from where atom come !!
So live our life good :)

Nihit Gupta said...

oh yes those three man were Brama, vishnu and mahesh.

Genius: Brama actually agreed to produce

Vishnu to serve

and Shiva to distroy.

What a crap...i dont believe..they are stories.

Leo Princess said...

@knn : I agree that Science is not yet complete and there are still inventions and discovries to go, but for all the reasearch that Scientists have done, let us not disrespect it by calling it a "Story", Theorem works well. :-)

And i did not get, NP Hard problem of Comp Sci., can you please enlighten me on this.

@Nihit: Thanks for your honest and simply put opinion.
Dude u have covered a hell lot...from single cell ameoba to black hole..

And oh yeah, knn bashed the scientists and called them bechare :P
LOL..jeene do unko bhi..! :)

Keshri Nandan Nayak said...

I haven't disrespected scientist, in fact they are the one who are guiding us to the GOD, i.e. 'state of infinite wisdom'. I have just said science is not complete, moreover I'm not a believer of irrational thoughts or ideology.

By STORY I only mean all the irrational thoughts or ideology, which cant be proved.

[Will let you know about NP Hard, next time when we meet :)]

Leo Princess said...

@knn : Coool :)(thnx 4 d clarification :) )

and bout NPHard : Fair enuf :)